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Predestination
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:51:17 PM »
One of the scriptures that has troubled my mind and I find difficult to understand is Romans chapter 9. Verse 17 in particular has been a major issue, it brings so many questions to mind.

If God predestinated Pharaoh to be a wicked and unrepentant king, then can Pharaoh still be blamed?

I have read so many arguing about PREDESTINATION as a doctrine. Today I stumbled on two materials which I think offer better insights. The first argues in favour of PREDESTINATION

newbielink:http://www.bible-researcher.com/predestination.html [nonactive] while the second argued against the doctrine. Predestination by newbielink:http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5089 [nonactive]

What are your sincere thought on this issue?

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Re: Predestination
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 12:21:41 PM »
This topic is one that often get Christians confused and unbelievers love using it as excuse for not deciding yet.

I for one believe that I have no excuse since I have been giving the power of choice by God. I guess no sane person will deny the fact that he or she has the ability to make a choice whether to serve God or not.

In other word, I simply take it that I have been predestined to worship and serve God all the days of my life. When I get to heaven, I can start asking for further explanation. What do you think? Call me dumb if you like.
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Re: Predestination
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 07:34:07 AM »
You've made your point. I won't call you dumb. lol

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Re: Predestination
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 03:21:47 PM »
Predestination cannot be denied.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

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Re: Predestination
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 12:00:55 PM »
You made a valid point. However, each individual still have a choice to be the "wicked" mentioned in the verse or to be a righteous man. We all have a choice to make.

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Re: Predestination
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 01:11:10 PM »
Okay, good point.

But, it is my personal belief that there is predestination because of the first scriptures in Romans you already gave, and other scriptures.  Some people could take this to extremes however; saying why bother preaching the gospel etc.


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Re: Predestination
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 08:05:42 PM »
You're right. Predestination is real. It is unfortunate that some people think they can use it as excuse for not doing what is right. Even though there is predestination, it obvious from the pages of the scriptures that on human being is under any kind of compulsion to fulfill the negative predictions that were prophesied from the time of old. For example, Peter could have choosing to be the one that betrayed Jesus.

I consider it totally absurd, for us to assume that God is responsible for our choices, even though we are the one making those choices.

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Re: Predestination
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 07:30:07 PM »
You're right.  God being all powerful, and all knowing it is impossible for Him to not have made the decision of how your free choice would turn out in the end. 

In any case, it is a hard concept.  The Bible says to Mind not high things ...